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Stone Dude
05-21-2012, 12:22 AM
I have been on this off and on for a few weeks, in between jobs. It was installed and left ungrouted. My helper and I came in and filled the grout joints with Tenax resin, ground the floor flat, filled with Tenax resin, brought up to a polish. I spent 11 hours on it today to get it done. It was polished with Samich KP92.

there is a bit more to it then that, but I wont go through the tedious details. I banged up the walls a bit, but that was expected, and base is going on now that its done.

This is how I like to have the floors left for me if it's installed to grind.


heres the floor

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0151.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0156.jpg

empty joints
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0158.jpg

the beginning

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0454.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0458.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0559.jpg


this is after 120 grit Samich Jumpers

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1513.jpg

this is after 220 typhoons from DP Canada. I think these can be had through MB Stone. Very good diamonds.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1514.jpg

400 Regent triple thicks.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1520.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1528.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1543.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1567.jpg


this was done with my modified Cimex with the rigid heads.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_0469.jpg

Stone Dude
05-21-2012, 12:28 AM
heres a few more


heres a few more.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1543.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1536-1.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1551-1.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/nihilistic1945/dads%20office/IMG_1539-1.jpg

masterclean5
05-21-2012, 12:59 AM
Nice work Cam....as usual. I too have the typhoons. Why not just use them from 220 and up? Did you refill the holes with the Tenax resin before your last metal or electroplated grit? White pad with the kp92? (I'm liking the white pads with 5x now...)

Busy Bee
05-21-2012, 01:10 AM
nice work man...just like in the class with the joints resin filled...perfect floor

Stone Dude
05-21-2012, 01:18 AM
Nice work Cam....as usual. I too have the typhoons. Why not just use them from 220 and up? Did you refill the holes with the Tenax resin before your last metal or electroplated grit? White pad with the kp92? (I'm liking the white pads with 5x now...)


I wanted to compare results of different diamonds. The typhoons are great but I was blown away with the Samich Jumpers. I have 1200 feet on them and they dont even look worn.

Andy Z
05-21-2012, 02:52 AM
Awesome Cam. I have my first trav grind coming up in a month or so. I will prob call you for pointers!

Pedro
05-21-2012, 10:30 AM
Little confused on why you filled joints with Tenax resin. And then again after you flattened the floor. This seems like a lot of work. How much more do you charge for something like that.

When I've flattened travertine floors, I was taught (by Dave Gelinas) to fill holes with non-sanded grout after about 200 grit and then come back the next day with 400 and up.

My guess is, results will give mirror like finish, with joints virtually invisible.

Sounds like the best way to go, but tedious when filling both joints and then again after your grind.

Very nice job. You must be tired of Tenax.

Stone Dude
05-21-2012, 11:34 AM
I didnt fill the joints twice. I filled the holes that opened after i flattenes the floor. Grout will never look the same. I fill with grout most if the time too but this is for the people who want the ultimate floor. No grout to replace no fill to come out

elitectc
05-21-2012, 11:53 AM
Very cool Cam! Sounds like a ton of tedious work, hope they paid for it. Looks like a giant slab.

Stone Dude
05-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Very cool Cam! Sounds like a ton of tedious work, hope they paid for it. Looks like a giant slab.

I did it for free. Its my dads new office in our new building.

After the tile was installed it was about 40 hours worth of work. There was sime speciak prep work and stuff too. The aluminum window frames had to be protected etc. The first cut of 70 metals went right to the wall so it takea a bit longer to compensate for that

Busy Bee
05-21-2012, 10:11 PM
Little confused on why you filled joints with Tenax resin. And then again after you flattened the floor. This seems like a lot of work. How much more do you charge for something like that.

When I've flattened travertine floors, I was taught (by Dave Gelinas) to fill holes with non-sanded grout after about 200 grit and then come back the next day with 400 and up.

My guess is, results will give mirror like finish, with joints virtually invisible.

Sounds like the best way to go, but tedious when filling both joints and then again after your grind.

Very nice job. You must be tired of Tenax.
we practiced this at Cam and Ted's class..it looked great but it was a lotta work...just discovered recently that lots of acetone and blades help big time

ASC
05-21-2012, 11:37 PM
DAD MOST BE PROUD! What size was the job? Which grit did you stop at? 40hrs by your self? Is kp92 acidic? Do you prefer your cimex over your samich for grinding?

masterclean5
05-22-2012, 04:09 PM
Looks like about 400sf right Cam? Do you need to clean up most all the excess of the Tenax from around the grout joints before you grind with your 70 metals?

Stone Dude
05-22-2012, 04:11 PM
Looks like about 400sf right Cam? Do you need to clean up most all the excess of the Tenax from around the grout joints before you grind with your 70 metals?


there is no glue left after filling, I continue with 120 or 220 resins. No glue to cut down.

I have explained this procedure and included pictures several times on this forum an others

RenewMarble
06-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Cam, Ive searched a couple times for this process can you post a link.
Very nice work..

SOULER
06-03-2012, 04:00 AM
great job guys!:supercool:

noweare
06-04-2012, 07:39 AM
Cam, congrats on using the Cimex with your Ridgid head conversion.
It looks like its worked great! The reflection is nice and true.
That is a great option to have.
The floor looks totally awesome.

fabmast
06-04-2012, 03:31 PM
Cameron, is that Samich a klindex levigator. i got a used one last week. it is sweet. now w/ the quarry master and kroma i think i am set for gear forever.

are those 5.5" pads. i have 4" but the levigator came w/ 3x3 3" pad holder. gives it a 21" path, but 9 3" diamonds on each is a lot of set up. probably going to get the 4" pads from Stu so i could grind w/ both the kroma and the levigator with another guy at the same time. thinking this increased speed could make it possible to charge a little less because the job would take less time.

Stone Dude
06-04-2012, 04:01 PM
No it's a Lotus same as the kroma. I wouldnt charge that much less if at all for moving faster. Youre using more diamonds etc.

9 diamonds nice. You can move the machine faster and the life is significantly longer. Its nasically a wash.

The rigid heads for the cimex are great but the orototype set was made from wood which are now swollen

RenewMarble
06-04-2012, 06:42 PM
Can you give us an idea of how you filled the joints with no residual to cut, I have searched and am unable to navigate to the answer. Are you taping all the joints and pour it or Knife it in. Are you using a pastry bag and filling each slowly hoping it doesnt harden before your done. or is this type of magic only availible in class. Just asking

Stone Dude
06-04-2012, 07:54 PM
This is something we focus on jn the class. However i have openly shared this process many times on here. It has become tiresome repeating it over and over. I will find one of the threads when i get home and post the link here

RenewMarble
06-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Thank you, I searched just couldnt find.

noweare
06-04-2012, 08:41 PM
I think he waits till he can cut it with a razor. Timing it just right.
That's if my memory serves me correctly.

Stone Dude
06-04-2012, 10:10 PM
http://www.dirtygrout.com/forums/showthread.php/trav-filler-removal-11073.html?t=11073&highlight=travertine+resin+fill

RenewMarble
06-05-2012, 09:13 PM
Thanks