Miracle Products - DirtyGrout: Stone, Tile and Grout Cleaning Resource

Rob Howard · #1 12-29-2009, 01:44 AM

Hi Guys,

Do many of you use Miracle products? If so can you tell me what the best of thier products are for pre-colorseal prep and cleaning? and what clear sealers they sell are the best (both water & solvent based).
I am currently using Aqua Mix Heavey Duty Alkiline cleaner for prep and then the Aqua Mix Grout Sealer (water based) when not doing colorseal. I would be interested to hear any feedback as to how they compare??

Thanks, and have a great new year

kcstoneguy · #2 12-29-2009, 08:03 AM

i still use Porous Plus , it is a great sealer and lasts for years. Very expensive though.

Eric J · #3 12-29-2009, 08:18 AM

Miracle doesn't have any good Alks but there are 2 acids that work well. Heavy Duty Acidic Cleaner and their Phosphoric Acid. Either acid will prep grout well for colorsealer after your Alk of choice.

saboyt · #4 12-29-2009, 01:04 PM

Rob, i know a lot of tile layers use Miracle 511 here in the states. I think it is because it is easy to find. The product is good but the application is usually what causes the problems. If not applied correctly it can cause a lot of problems, particularly with attracting dirt. The porous plus is also a good product. It's the only Miracle sealer that we use. We use several other brands as well, depending on the situation.

Rob Howard · #5 12-29-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kcstoneguy

i still use Porous Plus , it is a great sealer and lasts for years. Very expensive though.

Do you know what the difference is between Porous Plus and the 511 Impregnator? They sound to be the same thing to me?

Rob Howard · #6 12-29-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric J

Miracle doesn't have any good Alks but there are 2 acids that work well. Heavy Duty Acidic Cleaner and their Phosphoric Acid. Either acid will prep grout well for colorsealer after your Alk of choice.

Thanks Eric, what of the above acids do you think would be the best all-round acid to use? Or do you think I need to use both? I would like an acid that takes care of lime scale, efflorescence and hard water deposits if possible, as well as being a good pre-colourseal preparation product. It needs to have plenty of GRUNT!

Also, do you have any suggestions on a good Alkaline? I have been using Aqua Mix Heavy Duty (works well and I think it is Ph 13.5) so it is nice and strong, but would like to find something cheaper!!
Thanks

Rob Howard · #7 12-29-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by saboyt

Rob, i know a lot of tile layers use Miracle 511 here in the states. I think it is because it is easy to find. The product is good but the application is usually what causes the problems. If not applied correctly it can cause a lot of problems, particularly with attracting dirt. The porous plus is also a good product. It's the only Miracle sealer that we use. We use several other brands as well, depending on the situation.

Do you mean the 511 H2O (water based sealer) or the 511 Impregnator (solvent based sealer)?
We have the same problem with the Aqua Mix water based sealer, if you don't remove from the tile edge the dirt attracts and sticks to it leaving a dirty strip down each side of the tile!! Do the Miracle sovent based sealers help prevent this?

Sorry for all the questions, but I am all the way down in NZ and need to order in bulk and make sure we order the correct products.

Thanks for your advice

kcstoneguy · #8 12-29-2009, 06:41 PM

Rob there is big difference between Porous Plus and 511, not to metion the price. 511 goes for around 75 a gallon, and PP is at least 175 or more a gallon, depending where you buy it.

All the very tile good stone companies here , especially those who lay honeed limestone , use it. Most of the tile setters I know use it as well. Sturgis Stone, probably the best limestone fabricator in the midwest will use nothing but PP.

PP i believe has a much larger polymer size, and thus works on honed stones alot better. 511 is cheap and economical, and that is the best description I can give of it.

i dont do color sealing , so I really dont know how any of their products relate ...To be honest, I use their Tile and Stone Cleaner all the time. Its probably not as good as Kleenzall , but it cleans pretty good. I pretty much gave up trying to deep clean tile and grout, since I just refer my work to a guy who has a truckmount..

saboyt · #9 12-29-2009, 07:54 PM

Rob, i was referring to the solvent based. That's what the problem is. Solvent left on the stone.

Rob Howard · #10 12-29-2009, 08:16 PM

Sorry, maybe I should have said before, but I am only interested in what the product works like on Grout? We do not do a lot of actual 'tile sealing work', just grout. Therefore I am looking for advice on what their best 'Clear Grout Sealer' might be?

Thanks for all the feedback, greatley appreciated.

Eric J · #11 12-29-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Howard

Thanks Eric, what of the above acids do you think would be the best all-round acid to use? Or do you think I need to use both? I would like an acid that takes care of lime scale, efflorescence and hard water deposits if possible, as well as being a good pre-colourseal preparation product. It needs to have plenty of GRUNT!

Also, do you have any suggestions on a good Alkaline? I have been using Aqua Mix Heavy Duty (works well and I think it is Ph 13.5) so it is nice and strong, but would like to find something cheaper!!
Thanks

Here I go again! Aqua Mix (AM) heavy duty t&g cleaner should be named Light duty or scrub like crazy to get it clean t&g cleaner. It doesn't do much comapred to Anvil.

Acid, if you need a GRUNT then go with the Heavy Duty Acidic Cleaner. It is Hydrochloric so be safe when handling and around stainless appliances. It will tear grout a new ass! Phosphoric will do the job as well!!!!!!!!!!!! Safer to use, rinses easier etc... preps grout for colorseal just as well..

Rob Howard · #12 12-30-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric J

Here I go again! Aqua Mix (AM) heavy duty t&g cleaner should be named Light duty or scrub like crazy to get it clean t&g cleaner. It doesn't do much comapred to Anvil.

Acid, if you need a GRUNT then go with the Heavy Duty Acidic Cleaner. It is Hydrochloric so be safe when handling and around stainless appliances. It will tear grout a new ass! Phosphoric will do the job as well!!!!!!!!!!!! Safer to use, rinses easier etc... preps grout for colorseal just as well..

Thanks Eric, greatley appreciated.

Rob Howard · #13 12-30-2009, 02:23 AM

Just been reading up on all the old posts about the Anvil and it looks like a lot of you recomend it on here. I will see if I am able to get it sent down to little old New Zealand to try some out. Thanks guys

ribbon · #14 03-09-2010, 06:00 AM

Miracle is too strong of a word, but these products have numerous functions throughout your home.

Baking Soda
Household Uses of Borax
Household Uses of WD-40
Mr. Clean Magic Eraser

Best Regards,

Eric J · #15 03-09-2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ribbon

Miracle is too strong of a word, but these products have numerous functions throughout your home.

Baking Soda
Household Uses of Borax
Household Uses of WD-40
Mr. Clean Magic Eraser

Best Regards,

What dude? He is talking about Miracle products. THE BRAND. Not what is a sent from heaven product.

It is called Miaracle Sealants. They produce neut. cleaners, acids, strippers, sealers, etc....

noweare · #16 03-11-2010, 12:19 AM

With 511 or 511 plus you need to wipe it within a few minutes or it
very tough to get off.

glenn k · #17 03-11-2010, 05:27 AM

The first question I have is what will you be primarily sealing. Will it be only for grout or tiles as well? There is a big difference of what sealers to use depending on the tiles and porosity rates (polished vs. honed finish; ceramic or natural - also makes a big difference).

Miracle Sealants are good basic sealers for most applications. But, like any sealer or chemical, proper use and application is key. I am not a rep, but have attended their training class a very very very long time ago.

You should be aware that their solvent based sealers, such as 511 Impregnator and 511 Porous Plus are on the thicker side. This is okay for most grout, but any excess (especially on surrounding tiles) should be wiped soon after.

The difference between, the Impregnator and the Porous Plus is exactly as labelled. The Porous Plus is for porous stones that have high absorption rates. You can always test the stone rates by doing a simple water puddle test to see if the stone darkens after a certain amount of time.

511 H20 is a water based sealer which has low to no odor. Water is just the carrier for the sealer. This sealer is mainly used in homes where the homeowner may have issues with smell during the application. It is not a sealer for exterior, and will not last as long in such conditions.

I should also share, that are large majority of my refinishing is removing excess sealer improperly applied by homeowner, GC, and non-professional companies. In most cases it due to improper application and not failure of product. So please remember not to pour it on; and to wipe up before it dries.