DirtyGrout:  Stone, Tile and Grout Cleaning Resource Grout Shield  

Go Back   DirtyGrout: Stone, Tile and Grout Cleaning Resource > Tile & Grout Forums > Regrouting & Repair
Dirtygrout Store Photo Gallery Contact Us
Home Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read

Regrouting & Repair Post, ask and offer your tips, problems, experiences, solutions to any repairs and regrouting issues for stone, tile and grout.

  #1  
Old 01-09-2010, 01:37 PM
FreeD FreeD is offline
Junior Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 15
FreeD is on a distinguished road
Default Speeding up Re grouting

Other than the multimaster (with diamond blade) dremel etc what is the quickest way to remove grout from 5/6mm grout lines? I find the Fein is fine for small grout lines 1mm but anything above is far to time consuming.

Maybe a grinder with diamond blade of some kind? what do you guys use for 5/6mm grout lines large areas?

These guys claim they can re grout in 4/5 hours so they must be using a a very quick tool...

any ideas what they use?

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
  #2  
Old 01-09-2010, 02:04 PM
Bruce Zelt's Avatar
Bruce Zelt Bruce Zelt is offline
Notta
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kennesaw, GA
Posts: 2,222
Bruce Zelt is on a distinguished road
Default

With wide enough grout lines I use a 4.5 inch grinder and a thin wheel.

Comes out like butta, but I also use a dust less vac too.
  #3  
Old 01-09-2010, 02:08 PM
Eric J's Avatar
Eric J Eric J is offline
Professional Hard Surface Cleaning & Maint.
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: usmbsc
Posts: 1,509
Eric J is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
These guys claim they can re grout in 4/5 hours so they must be using a a very quick tool...

any ideas what they use?

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
Yep, I sure do. They are only referring to the 1/16" unsanded grout in the old 4" tiled shower walls.

here it is. I have one.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

Watch the video!
__________________
Eric J.
www.CleanGroutSC.com
  #4  
Old 01-09-2010, 03:52 PM
FreeD FreeD is offline
Junior Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 15
FreeD is on a distinguished road
Default

Awesome thanks Eric..I emailed these guys before having found this tool through google...looks alot quicker than the fein for 2/3mm grout lines, what about replacement tips do they wear down quickly?

Thanks Bruce I thuoght that might be the best tool for the job...although it worries me a bit about keeping a really steady hand...I guess you can just finish the edges with the fein? Which grinder are you using the bosch?
  #5  
Old 01-09-2010, 07:54 PM
Bruce Zelt's Avatar
Bruce Zelt Bruce Zelt is offline
Notta
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Kennesaw, GA
Posts: 2,222
Bruce Zelt is on a distinguished road
Default

Makita, but any will work.


I have someone hold the dust pickup between my legs and go to town.
The blade does not "jump", and if the grout joint is thicker you can move it
side to side as well.

Usually it is intimidating until you cut a few feet and realize that it is not going
to jump all over the place.
  #6  
Old 01-10-2010, 05:16 AM
Tiling Logistics Tiling Logistics is offline
Always Test First
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: West Midlands United Kingdom
Posts: 308
Tiling Logistics is on a distinguished road
Default

I use a Makita floor saw with diamond blade and water feed. zero dust and once you get adept with it it takes grout out at lightning speed

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
__________________
Specialists in Grinding, Honing, Polishing, Sealing and Deep Cleaning of all Natural Stone including Granite, Marble, Travertine, Limestone, Terrazzo, Slate, Quarries. tilinglogistics@hotmail.com
  #7  
Old 01-10-2010, 07:51 AM
FreeD FreeD is offline
Junior Member
 

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bristol, UK
Posts: 15
FreeD is on a distinguished road
Default

Nice one thanks Logistics...saw your post on Tilersforums refering to the Makita wasn't sure which one you meant though...what size blade do you use on it for 5/6mm grout lines? and do you run right up to the edge of tile or finish off the edges with another tool? can you use it on walls also?
  #8  
Old 01-10-2010, 11:45 AM
Tiling Logistics Tiling Logistics is offline
Always Test First
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: West Midlands United Kingdom
Posts: 308
Tiling Logistics is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeD View Post
Nice one thanks Logistics...saw your post on Tilersforums refering to the Makita wasn't sure which one you meant though...what size blade do you use on it for 5/6mm grout lines? and do you run right up to the edge of tile or finish off the edges with another tool? can you use it on walls also?
Bloody hell! The post on Tilersforums must be old I haven't posted on there for about two years. Anyway blade is about 200-210mm in diameter and 2mm wide. I have also had success with putting two blades on together for quicker work on wider joints. My only complaint is the water feed is made out of plastic and they only last a couple of jobs but I just charge every customer for a new water feed in the price. I can get fairly close to the edge and then finish the last bit with a Fein or by Hand. Never tried it on walls so can't comment!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
__________________
Specialists in Grinding, Honing, Polishing, Sealing and Deep Cleaning of all Natural Stone including Granite, Marble, Travertine, Limestone, Terrazzo, Slate, Quarries. tilinglogistics@hotmail.com
  #9  
Old 01-10-2010, 07:14 PM
Groutini's Avatar
Groutini Groutini is offline
Groutician Extradonaire
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 845
Groutini is on a distinguished road
Default

The grout removal tool that I use is an Automach wood carver. It's made in Japan and is heavy duty to go for many regrouts without needing service. It's a reciprocating touch activated high quality tool.

It can be purchased here:

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

All you have to do is to bring it in to a weld shop to have a tip put on it to accept replaceable triangle or diamond carbide grout removal tips. A five minute alteration that will serve you a very long time. This instrument will seriously outlast cables. I have used the rotating cable tools and was not pleased because the cable would only last a limited time.

For the price, I would try both and judge them to see which one you prefer.
Attached Images To view attachments your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
__________________



"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
"

--- Thomas Jefferson

_____________________________________




  #10  
Old 01-10-2010, 07:33 PM
CanCleanTG's Avatar
CanCleanTG CanCleanTG is offline
Junior Member
 

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Moncton, NB, Canada
Posts: 13
CanCleanTG is on a distinguished road
Default

I've been looking into this sonicrafter. Seems like a fairly versitile tool.

Link @ To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
  #11  
Old 01-10-2010, 10:40 PM
Groutini's Avatar
Groutini Groutini is offline
Groutician Extradonaire
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 845
Groutini is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanCleanTG View Post
I've been looking into this sonicrafter. Seems like a fairly versitile tool.

Link @ To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
This tool is good for removing commercial (sika brand) caulking from sidewalks and buildings. I have found it impractical in regrouting.
__________________



"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
"

--- Thomas Jefferson

_____________________________________




  #12  
Old 01-11-2010, 12:27 AM
Andy Z Andy Z is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 694
Andy Z is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Groutini View Post
The grout removal tool that I use is an Automach wood carver. It's made in Japan and is heavy duty to go for many regrouts without needing service. It's a reciprocating touch activated high quality tool.

It can be purchased here:

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

All you have to do is to bring it in to a weld shop to have a tip put on it to accept replaceable triangle or diamond carbide grout removal tips. A five minute alteration that will serve you a very long time. This instrument will seriously outlast cables. I have used the rotating cable tools and was not pleased because the cable would only last a limited time.

For the price, I would try both and judge them to see which one you prefer.
Do these type of tools not chip the tiles? Even when the grout line is extremely thin (1 or 2 mm) and it is pretty much tool on tile?
  #13  
Old 01-11-2010, 06:14 PM
troygrout troygrout is offline
Guru
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Everett, WA
Posts: 812
troygrout is on a distinguished road
Default

Why are you regrouting 5-6mm grout. This should be sanded grout and needs to be colorsealed?
__________________
Seattle grout cleaning
  #14  
Old 01-12-2010, 11:59 AM
Tiling Logistics Tiling Logistics is offline
Always Test First
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: West Midlands United Kingdom
Posts: 308
Tiling Logistics is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanCleanTG View Post
I've been looking into this sonicrafter. Seems like a fairly versitile tool.

Link @ To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
That is along the lines of the Fein Machine. The problem with most oscillating tools is they are fine for a while and OKish in small areas but they are useless when there are 1000's sq ft involved. I will stick with my Makita

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
__________________
Specialists in Grinding, Honing, Polishing, Sealing and Deep Cleaning of all Natural Stone including Granite, Marble, Travertine, Limestone, Terrazzo, Slate, Quarries. tilinglogistics@hotmail.com
  #15  
Old 01-23-2010, 10:35 PM
Andy Z Andy Z is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 694
Andy Z is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric J View Post
Yep, I sure do. They are only referring to the 1/16" unsanded grout in the old 4" tiled shower walls.

here it is. I have one.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

Watch the video!
Does that actually remove enough grout for a full regrout on 1/16" lines? I have no clue, but it seems like that triangle would only knock off the top 1/16" of the grout before it was prevented from going any deeper by its own triangular shape... no???
  #16  
Old 01-24-2010, 09:27 AM
Eric J's Avatar
Eric J Eric J is offline
Professional Hard Surface Cleaning & Maint.
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: usmbsc
Posts: 1,509
Eric J is on a distinguished road
Default

Remeber, they are only dealing w/ 4" tiles. those tiles have the little feet on them so that when they get installed you but them together making uniform width joints that are 1/16". The grout in between tiles like those is very shallow due to those feet. Also, since it is unsanded grout, it doesn't need much depth to hold. So using that tool takes enough out to let new unsanded grout settle in. It will leave some deep in there but with unsanded it is enough depth to hold.
__________________
Eric J.
www.CleanGroutSC.com
  #17  
Old 01-24-2010, 03:08 PM
Andy Z Andy Z is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 694
Andy Z is on a distinguished road
Default

Sweet. Thanks Eric. I am going to order up that Japanese vibrating carving tool and weld a triangle tip holder onto it.

Have you tried mixing c/s in with the unsanded when regrouting? as opposed to applying in on top after.
  #18  
Old 01-24-2010, 06:40 PM
noweare noweare is offline
Guru
 

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Weare, NH
Posts: 909
noweare is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiling Logistics View Post
I have also had success with putting two blades on together for quicker work on wider joints.
I also use this for removing grout. How do you put two blades on the arbor is only thick enough for one blade on my masonary saw.

Joe

PS Groutini, thanks for that tip. I have been using the triangle blads manually. That will def. make my like easier.
__________________
Stone Tile Grout Restoration
www.cleanerpasturesnh.com
  #19  
Old 01-24-2010, 08:27 PM
Eric J's Avatar
Eric J Eric J is offline
Professional Hard Surface Cleaning & Maint.
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: usmbsc
Posts: 1,509
Eric J is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Z View Post
Have you tried mixing c/s in with the unsanded when regrouting? as opposed to applying in on top after.
Absolutely.
__________________
Eric J.
www.CleanGroutSC.com
  #20  
Old 01-24-2010, 08:58 PM
Andy Z Andy Z is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 694
Andy Z is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric J View Post
Absolutely.
Oh ya? Can you give me some details? Did you substitute 100% of the water for c/s? I take it there is no need to c/s after? How has it held up? Any shrinkage/cracking probs?
  #21  
Old 01-27-2010, 10:17 AM
Mountaineer Mountaineer is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 363
Mountaineer is on a distinguished road
Default Which Grout?

Is most of this discussion about removing thin unsanded grout joints from shower walls that have the 4" to 4 1/4" tiles? Thanks, Al
  #22  
Old 03-06-2010, 01:03 PM
Sun shine Sun shine is offline
Test Driver
 

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: faisalabad
Posts: 5
Sun shine is on a distinguished road
Default

How do you put two blades on the arbor is only thick enough for one blade on my masonary saw.
__________________
granite countertops nj | SEO Company
  #23  
Old 03-06-2010, 06:41 PM
leofloors's Avatar
leofloors leofloors is offline
Enthusiast
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Placerville,Ca
Posts: 146
leofloors is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric J View Post
Yep, I sure do. They are only referring to the 1/16" unsanded grout in the old 4" tiled shower walls.

here it is. I have one.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

Watch the video!
I just got one of these. Not sure if I like it though. Was doing a shower pan regrout this week (4in tiles 1/16 grout) and my first grout line the triangle head cut into the side of the tile. I thought maybe I was applying to much pressure so I tried less pressure and it didn't seam to cut that well. I just couldn't find a happy medium on pressure. It either cut the side of the tile or didn't cut out the grout very well.

The video on the website shows them just zipping. Not sure what I was doing wrong. I ended up using the multimaster. I really wish I could do these regrouts quicker. The grouting part is easy. It's just cutting the old stuff out.

My first experience doing a regrout it took two days to cut out the old grout. It was an old shower though.
__________________
Marc Leonetti
Sierra Tile & Stone Care

www.tile-cleaning-pros.com
  #24  
Old 03-07-2010, 08:51 AM
Dafloorman Dafloorman is offline
Board Addict
 

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida
Posts: 399
Dafloorman is on a distinguished road
Default

I would take colorsealing over re grouting any day, except for a small shower or a recaulk.


To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.
  #25  
Old 04-18-2010, 01:24 AM
Adam Adam is offline
Enthusiast
 

Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Northwest, IL
Posts: 153
Adam is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Groutini View Post
The grout removal tool that I use is an Automach wood carver. It's made in Japan and is heavy duty to go for many regrouts without needing service. It's a reciprocating touch activated high quality tool.

It can be purchased here:

To view links in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

All you have to do is to bring it in to a weld shop to have a tip put on it to accept replaceable triangle or diamond carbide grout removal tips. A five minute alteration that will serve you a very long time. This instrument will seriously outlast cables. I have used the rotating cable tools and was not pleased because the cable would only last a limited time.

For the price, I would try both and judge them to see which one you prefer.
How this works on very hard 1/16 unsanded grout? What would be better to use in that grout: Grout Grabber or that triangle tool?
__________________
"When Life Kicks You, Let it Kick You Forward"
  #26  
Old 04-18-2010, 05:05 AM
TheGroutDyeGuy TheGroutDyeGuy is offline
Junior Member
 

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 14
TheGroutDyeGuy is on a distinguished road
Default Grout removal

Grout removal is a practiced skill requiring proper body protection and the ability to do tedious and strenuous work usually in confined areas.

We feel that it is achieved by a resource of tools depending on the type of area and obstacles.

Not one type of tool alone can do every job.

That is why we have grout removal tools for the field areas and other tools for trim areas.

Experience will never be replaced by tools. But it helps.


Michael C. Malizia
The Grout Dye Company
Reply

  DirtyGrout: Stone, Tile and Grout Cleaning Resource > Tile & Grout Forums > Regrouting & Repair


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Grouting vertical tumbled travertine RN2006 Regrouting & Repair 0 09-01-2009 02:13 PM
Electric grouting machine for sale!! foxflooring Buy-Sell-Trade Page 2 02-25-2009 07:07 PM
Repairing and Grouting Slate Tiles troygrout Regrouting & Repair 0 05-15-2008 09:48 PM
Clear sealant over epoxy grouting? Patrick@hmsga.com Tile & Grout Cleaning & Sealing 6 11-20-2006 08:15 PM
CTIA field report on grouting mhegge1954 Regrouting & Repair 6 11-08-2006 09:55 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:23 AM.


Grout Shield
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Template-Modifications by TMS
Forum SEO by Zoints
Dirtygrout Marketing 2003-2009